May 18, 2017

Last Signing Sessions

So, the 'last signing sessions' are coming up. There is still a chance for them to reach the 80% - many estates have reached the 80% only on the last day (Shunfu for example) and there are those who specifically hang back until the very end. They might come out of the woodwork this weekend. They are currently at 69% (from their FB page).

What is clear is that there is a strong appetite for a collective sale in this estate - perhaps even 80%- which the SC/MA failed to harness from the start. Contrary to all the comments on this blog, the estate does not necessarily have to wait 2 years for another attempt, if 50% sign for a requisition then they can fire up at will  .... but more about that later.

May 17, 2017

Goodbye

Goodbye to our Huttons agent (ex-Sale Committee member) who sold her unit in our estate (Nov 2009-Mar 2017). She was a forceful member of the Sale Committee in both Round 2 & 3.

This is for FYI only - comments for this post will not be published.




May 14, 2017

Mechanism to Lower the RP Part 1

There is an open question about the exact mechanism of lowering the RP.

My question of FB (posted yesterday 9 may 2017)





This is what we know:

The CSA says the following (not verbatim):
  • An EOGM is required to lower the RP
  • A simple majority of those attending the meeting agree to reduce the RP 
  • 80% sign a Supplemental Agreement
Armchair opinion No.1:
Owners do not sign again for a reserve price that is equal or higher than the RP they signed for originally. Owners will have to sign again if the new RP is lower than their signed for RP
eg:
This SP either signed for $1.32m or $1.5m
The RP is now $1.Xm
If the RP were lowered (by EOGM mandate) to $1.4M then would the SP need to sign again?
If she signed for the original RP at $1.32, then No. If she signed for the 2nd RP at $1.5M then  Yes.

Armchair opinion No.2
All Supplementary Agreements to lower the RP must have fresh signatures regardless of RP-  80% need to sign the new document.

Sale Committee Answer : 
14 May 2017




So, in other words, Armchair Opinion no 1 

NOTE: 'A majority vote at an EOGM' means a simple majority vote of those attending the EOGM and not a majority of SPs in the estate or a majority of the 80% signatories. 
A simple majority vote is 50% + 1person

It is necessary to understand all the nitty-gritty details.

After thinking about this long and hard and talking it over with a very learned friend I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Vasan is right and the Lawyer is wrong.  


In the meantime, Mr Vasan posted his concerns on FB and got a very swift reply from the Lawyers:

Mr Vasan is not yet convinced-




May 10, 2017

Shunfu Ville , perfunctory tenders and co-existence of double RPs

The Court of Appeal decision is out. The collective sale of the ex-HUDC estate ShunfuVille will proceed.

The decision can be found here 

This decision will have ramifications for all collective sales in progress. Our SC/MA will be dancing in the aisles with this decision. The Minority Objector focused on points that were plainly unwinnable, but I am going to focus on one issue that was not even raised (just something I latched on to in the reading).. RPs and how two can exist at the same time .

We have always been told that signing the CSA was a 'big step', that we would be legally binding ourselves hand & foot to a legal document until the very end. Sure, there was a brief 5 day 'cooling off' window in which we could change our minds, but after that, we were well and truly hooked. Voluntarily, I might add.

We all believed there could only be ONE RP, and to make sure we were all signing on the same page, we were given the added safety measure of having the signing done in the presence of a lawyer (rather than some smooth-talking marketing agent ambushing old people in their living rooms).

It is common practice that if the RP were raised in the course of the collective sale attempt, then those who had signed for the lower RP would rise with the tide and be party to the new, higher RP along with the new signatories.

Along comes ShunfuVille and the notion of ONE RP goes out the window with the crystallisation of Supplemental Agreements and their vastly different RPs that operate in a kind of legal-limbo.

I am not legally trained, but I do believe a person cannot legally sign for two different RPs on 2 different documents and have them both operational at the same time. One has to give way to the other - the same way you cannot legally be married to 2 different people at the same time.

So, how do you keep one RP alive and legally kicking whilst collecting fresh signatures for a lower RP?

Simple - throw out the idea that your signature is legal the moment you put ink to paper - and instead make a provision in the CSA that says it is only binding when 80% is reached for that particular  RP.  

So, there are 2 kinds of RPS - one that locks you in at the start and one that locks you in at the  80%.

This rule-bending allows for two RPs to co-exist side-by-side until the lower one has the muscle to take over the reins of the 80%.

The ShunfuVille CSA 'had a clause about a Supplemental Joint Agreement taking effect only if the consent of subsidiary proprietors representing at least 80% of the total share value and total strata area of the Property was obtained.' (COA 24) '

Check out out Tampines Court CSA.... Clause 1.4(c)

So, this is common practice, so you say, all Collectives Sales have this provision for a supplementary agreement in their CSA.

True, but now we have a case study - a successful template - and one which will be applied to many collective sales from now on. TC included.


One benefit (or drawback) is that the original 80% mandate remains in force for 12 months from date of first signature and it can be used to hold as many tenders that fit in the time frame. Shunfu used it for 2 tenders at the highest RP. The 2nd open tender was used as a bridge to the 10 weeks following an open tender provided for in the LTSA to find a private buyer  The buyer had already been found, they just needed the legal framework and an extension of time to garner the necessary signatures to get the deal done.

All very clever, I must say, but there's a deviousness underneath it all that really irks me.

At the end of the day, 80% knowingly signed that supplemental joint agreement, they were fresh signatures, and I for one, would not have attempted to take this case to High Court, never mind the COA. This template is an  'enbloc winner' from now on.

May 6, 2017

Discrepancy


If the postal date was 4 May, then the letter was not sent before the announcement of the $200k rise in RP either  on 25 April  (original posting on FB 25 Apr 2017 at 20:57, though this later changed to 26 April at 11:52) or  on 28th Apr (18th SC Meeting).. Singpost is far more efficient than that. Possible reasons:
  1. The RP is still not official - perhaps it has to be ratified with a new CSA from the legal department. 
  2. There are 2 RPS out there - one for residents  and another for non-residents.
I am very sceptical about all this. Are they going ahead with signing sessions before the RP has been officially raised? The CSA signing page has no RP listed on it - so how is the SP to know which RP is is signing for?  

I would demand some form of written assurance that the RP is now the higher $1.X (with added $200k) before signing any blank piece of paper. 
  • Are we to get any legal affirmation for the new RP? 
  • Why are some SPs receiving letters and others not? Selective dissemination of information is very worrying.

Apr 26, 2017

The Carrot (or Durian)

Just when we thought the SC had thrown in the towel, they come blasting back with an RP plucked from the air.

Was this decision to raise the RP just another 'chit-chat' discussion not important enough for a minuted meeting- or will we get to see some actual number crunching for a change.  The SC and MA have no vision, they have to wait until something lands on their plate before realising TC's potential. The Tampines Parcel C GLS gives them an excuse to raise the RP without apologising for getting it so wrong for so long.

This is the RP they should have started out with from Day 1.


Tampines Ave 10 Parcel C Land Sale

https://www.ura.gov.sg/uol/land-sales-repository/Sites/tampines-av10-pc-cl.aspx



BIDDERS



OVERVIEW OF TAMPINES AVE 10 GLS

Mar 26, 2017

Rio Casa reaches 80% Consent

Screenshot taken from ST

Original data found on-line
Reserve price said to be about S$450m; it will cost another S$200m to top up the lease and intensify the plot ratio (Straits Times 15 Mar 2017)

This works out about $565 psfppr by my calculation based on the original site area (found on-line) 


From Anonymous26 March, 2017
From BT: $61M top up lease
$141M intensify plot ratio to 2.8
Site area: 396231 sqft
works out to: $590 psfppr.

From authoritive sources, Rio Casa original site area reduced to present value when adjacent condo 'Evergreen Park' was developed and needed access road to HDB car park.


With the smaller site area my spreadsheet now looks like:

The smaller land area now pushes the psfppr to $588 based on the figures given. 

The SC must have done a reasonable stab at a RLV to get this price. 

The rule of thumb for most new developments is that the psf of the new development is around twice the psfppr paid for the site. So, the potential new condo will be priced at $1180 psf and above. In 5 years time, that is not an unreasonable assumption to make. 


Next to Nothing

Well, the Minutes of the 17th SC Meeting are on the Notice Board.

They contain absolutely nothing of  interest.  Four short paragraphs; 2 of which  were dedicated to telling us in detail that the Strata Roll is not up-to-date ( it never is). One line would have sufficed.

3rd paragraph: the SC asked Huttons when the next scheduled signing session would be. They replied that they would contact SPs who had not signed and arrange signing sessions for these SPs. To me, that sounds like there would be no more mass signing sessions at the void deck but targeted door-to-door sales tactics.

4th paragraph: could have been just one line: Let's put posters up on the Notice Boards - but said posters to be provided by the CSC, not Huttons who think it's a waste of time.

No update on signing %

Meeting was 1.5 hrs long.  Was this all there was to report? They must have talked really slow.

Mar 22, 2017

Neptune Court Defamation Suit Legal Fees

Oral Judgement - 22 March 2017

This Judgement says that MC members cannot use MCST funds to settle Defamation Suits against themselves and that any money used in the past must be refunded. They cannot simply add the expense under 'Legal fees or Privatisation' in the budget.




Mar 20, 2017

Nothing

The last minuted Sale Committee meeting was on the 24 Nov 2016. Their communication with SPs is non-existent, no one knows what is going on. Their fig-leaf of a Facebook page tells us nothing - obviously they are too scared to put a toe out in case someone might step on it. Theirs is a deafening silence. 

Will they issue a few scant lines about their meeting on the 18th March? 




Mar 17, 2017

Braddell View Privatisation


Finally - and the last HUDC - to Privatise




Mar 6, 2017

GLS Follow Up

Here is a summary of the raw data of 7 Government Land sales nearest Tampines Court. I can add a few more to the list when I have time - but looking at the data you can see a semblance of a trend - a Rule of Thumb, as it were. 

It seems the developer aims to sell the units at an average of twice the $ psf ppr. In other words a minimum ratio of 2:1.  Anything higher (say 2.5: 1 and they are in clover. To those who don't know what $psfppr means it is the Purchase Price /(site area*plot ratio). 

GLS sites do not have any Differential Premium or Lease Top up to add to their costs, they are clean sites. Two of the sites (The Alps Residences & The Santorini) are newly launched so the data is not solid there.


Mar 1, 2017

Q BAY RESIDENCES (TAMPINES AVE 10 PARCEL B)

It's very strange, but QBay Residences New Sale details seem to be largely absent from the Realis website. so what is happening here? The Condo is 100% sold yet I can find details on only 37 sales. Why is information being withheld? Is it something to do with the pricing of their mew next-door  condo to be launched soon (The Alps)?  

THE ALPS (TAMPINES AVE 10 PARCEL D)


A new condo coming up soon on the awful Tampines Ave 10 location. Try as they might , they can't think of many points of praise to sing about (see here). One selling point is apparently 10 bicycle slots (I kid you not - look under 'facilities')!  

Just imagine 9 fifteen storey blocks crammed into an area approx ONE QUARTER the size of Tampines Court. Out of the 626 units, only 3 are the size of a TC unit - a full 70% are shoeboxes under 700 sqft. 

No price list yet - but worth a gander when the show room opens :)


Feb 8, 2017

MA SALES PITCH

What is our MA's sales pitch to TC owners like? Well, from my single rather confusing experience it goes something like this (not verbatim):

I asked to see the RLV.

He ignored the question and proceeded with the following patter:

'HDB is our references prices in Singapore, it sets the benchmark for all the condo prices that follow. 4 room, 5 room Bishan, alright, this is the medium price from HDB website, 3Q 2016, 4 room 561, 5 room is 730, Toa Payoh... the 2 enbloc Shunfu & Raintree, 178, Toa Payoh is higher 190, alright, so it's about 6% higher than Shunfu. The  HDB price also reflects the same; the 4 room flat is slightly higher, the 5 rm flat is about 200k lower. Ang Mo Kio is lower. Shunfu is our reference because Shunfu is their first enbloc attempt, alright. So Ang Mo Kio is about 18% lower for a 4 room , 5 room 10% lower, Sengkang is lower, alright, Hougang, alright, so this is Tampines; between 15% lower... so average about 25% lower than Shunfu and lower than ... So for the enbloc price payout, at $1.X m,  alright, is about 15.8% lower than these two. Furthermore, looking at the trend is actually in line with the estate pricing, location pricing in Singapore'